In a wide ranging radio interview, SFI Distinguished Fellow Murray Gell-Mann discusses what it means to think like a scientist, the value of rejecting orthodoxy, beauty and simplicity, reductionism vs. interdisciplinarity, complex systems science and theory, and intelligent life on other planets, among other topics.

Listen to the interview with the Santa Fe Radio Cafe's Mary-Charlotte Domandi (49 minutes, July 30, 2013)